I have been lucky enough to see The Cars and Fountains Of Wayne at their height of their respective fame, and can say right now that Crossword Smiles does justice to them both. Both shows were wonderful and a lot of fun, and Crossword Smiles is too.
The duo of Tom Curless and Chip Saam were kind enough to answer a few questions for me.
Andrea Weiss: Who were you listening to while making the album?
Tom Curless: My listening during the recording went anywhere from early Joe Jackson, a lot of Brian Eno, David Bowie, Nick Lowe, The Jam, The Go-Betweens, Prefab Sprout, and 80’s Genesis.
Chip Saam: I host a weekly two-hour radio show – shameless self-promotion plug, it’s called Indie Pop Takeout and airs from 8:00-10:00 AM ET on Neighborhood Weekly Radio and is archived on Mixcloud – so I listen to a lot of current indie artists. When not prepping for the show though, during the recording of the album I listened to a lot of Del Amitri, Michael Penn, Talking Heads, Aimee Mann, Beulah, Damnwells, XTC, Guided by Voices, and Connells records.
AW: Who are your influences in general?
TC: See above, those are some of them. My music tastes are pretty vast. I have a big love for post punk, new wave early 80’s music: XTC, The Police, The Cars, Gang of Four, The Clash. I also really love Progressive rock like Yes, Genesis, and King Crimson. I am, finally, a sucker for harmony groups like Queen, The Beach Boys, The Byrds, Teenage Fanclub, and Crosby Stills & Nash. There is more but I will stop there. Ha ha!
CS: I’d say my biggest songwriting influences include Freedy Johnston, The Go-Betweens, Micheal Penn, Neil Finn, Paddy McAloon (Prefab Sprout), Justin Currie (Del Amitri), and Ray Davies. I also have alt-country tinge from loving records of John Hiatt, Rosanne Cash, and Alejandro Escovedo. The overall sound of records from Tommy Keene, Teenage Fanclub, Sloan, and Marshall Crenshaw also had a hand in the deal.
AW: I hear a lot of Fountains of Wayne here, which is good. If you were listening to them, which albums did you concentrate on?
TC: I really enjoy the entire FOW discography, they were a great band. I have to say my favorites of the albums are the debut, Utopia Parkway and Welcome Interstate Managers.
CS: I’m always playing Fountains of Wayne records. The loss of Adam Schlesinger was so huge. I lean hard on Utopia Parkway, the self-titled debut, and Traffic and Weather, but their genius is obvious on all five studio records. One of my favorite songs of all-time Is “All Kinds of Time.” That’s a huge compliment by the way – thank you!!
AW: I also hear Randy Newman. Was there some of his influence here too?
TC: That is interesting. I don’t really listen to him. The closest artist to him that that I really like is Harry Nilsson. Maybe some of that is creeping through? I think Chip’s lyrics are very “story telling” or “character study” with details that has some Randy Newman similarities.
CS: I’m in the same boat as Tom on this one. I’ll take that as a huge compliment though, as I admire a lot of songwriters who say they admire Randy Newman. I think the character study with an arched eyebrow quality of his songs has rubbed off on us in some way. I guess I need to pull out that copy of Little Criminals and give it another listen.
AW: This is also very nicely Cars-like. Were they an influence here?
TC: YES! MASSIVE influence on both Chip and me. It is telling that the band was named after a lyric from “Dangerous Type.” One of the first albums I bought with my own money was Candy-O when it was released and I still absolutely treasure that record to this day!! The Cars were an awesome band and I am sure our mutual love for that band came through, we can’t help it.
CS: Very big influence. They were easily my first favorite band – one of those “I can remember exactly where I was the first time I heard them on the radio.” Every member of the band brought a huge benefit to their sound. Elliot Easton’s guitar solos are solid gold, and Ben Orr is the perfect archetype of a rock ‘n’ roll singer. Several of the keyboard parts on the record were added to add a “Carsy” feel to the track.
AW: I like too how there is so much empathy for women in these songs. How much did you draw on real life relationships for that?
TC: I grew up with three older sisters, all girl cousins, and now I have two daughters. So…needless to say, there has been a lot of female influence on my life. I think Chip and I both have a fondness and sympathy for females. We are also intrigued by them. It makes for better subject matter in a song, because females are also more emotionally complex than men. Just my 2 cents.
CS: I had a great relationship with my mother and I’m sure that along with my wife and daughter has seeped into my songwriting. I’m also a big fan of female artists: Aimee Mann, Lisa Loeb, Kelly Jones, Mandy Moore, Patti Smith, Joan Armatrading, Kate Bush, Patty Griffin, Sarah Harmer, Kathleen Edwards. Rosanne Cash, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Kim Richey… And I’ve always been intrigued when male songwriters write a song from a woman’s perspective – Paul Kelly does this especially well
AW: Satire seems underused in rock. Do you want to add more of it to the genre?
TC: Absolutely! Life can be tough and I often look to music to cheer me up or inspire me. Or maybe on occasion to make me laugh. We look for every angle we can for writing a song. If satire creeps in there for a moment, we will roll with it! We are serious about making music, but at the same time we try not to take ourselves too seriously!
CS: I positively enjoy satire in songs, but am always weary of going too far, especially with the humor side. I like the use of irony for sure and think we took a satirical view in some of the lyrics – “Night Train,” “The Never Seens,” and “Typical Waving Goodbye” come to mind.
AW: What do you hope for with this album?
TC: I want many people to hear it and respect what we created. If they buy it, even better, because that will support us making another record. So far, based on the debut and this one, we have gotten a lot of compliments on both albums. I have been told several times that people have been impressed with the writing and musicianship. We have also been told we are diverse, which is another huge compliment. When people are respecting your craft and sharing the record with other people, that’s all an artist can ask for. I just want it to make an impact. There is a lot of music coming out these days and it’s hard to rise above all the white noise.
CS: I hope that this record reaches people in some way that makes them think and feel something – maybe connect to something in their life. We work hard on our songs and take a lot of pride in crafting tracks that may surprise with a twist, be it a sound, a melody, or a lyric. We tried to use sonic templates that haven’t been overused and made a point to present a diverse range of styles on the record. I’d love for it to reach as many people as possible and be one of those records that people keep in their playlist for a long time.